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Post by Padres GM (A) on Feb 11, 2012 14:22:22 GMT -5
Re-sign: 1-Marwin Gonzalez (at least temporarily w/ open spot). Processed. |
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Post by Padres GM (A) on Feb 18, 2012 18:07:12 GMT -5
With an open spot after a trade the Padres sign (create):
Daniel Rosenbaum - SP (R/L - 10/10/87)
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Post by Padres GM (A) on Feb 19, 2012 11:43:07 GMT -5
With an open spot after a trade the Padres sign (create): Daniel Rosenbaum - SP (R/L - 10/10/87) Processed. |
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Post by Padres GM (A) on Feb 21, 2012 20:24:07 GMT -5
Sign: (open spots)
1-Ethan Martin - SP
1-James Baldwin - OF
1-Charles Cutler - C (create > L/R - 7/29/86)
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Post by Padres GM (A) on Feb 27, 2012 13:21:15 GMT -5
Sign: (open spots) 1-Ethan Martin - SP 1-James Baldwin - OF 1-Charles Cutler - C (create > L/R - 7/29/86) Processed. |
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Post by Padres GM (A) on Feb 29, 2012 18:19:53 GMT -5
Sign (create): Jairo Beras (OF - L/L - 12/25/95) w/ an open spot.
At least temporarily until MLB investigates.
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Post by chisox on Feb 29, 2012 22:36:08 GMT -5
Sign (create): Jairo Beras (OF - L/L - 12/25/95) w/ an open spot. At least temporarily until MLB investigates. Future Shock The Curious Case of Jairo Beras by Kevin Goldstein The news broke this morning, and the firestorm didn't take very long to follow. When it was first reported that the Rangers had signed Dominican outfielder Jairo Beras to a $4.5 million contract, the first reaction was confusion; he was generally seen as one of the top prospects, if not the top prospect for the upcoming international signing period that begins on July 2. Teams were not shocked as much as confused about how the deal could be consummated in February. As first reported by Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports, the signing is already being investigated by Major League Baseball. Passan writes, “The Rangers believe he is 17 and eligible to sign while MLB and competing executives insist he's 16 and ineligible until July 2.” After double-digit conversations with scouts and executives, that might not exactly be the case, but nonetheless, the deal is still a troubling one. Here are the primary points that are causing confusion: 1. Beras participated in the biggest international showcase of the year held in early February in the Dominican Republic, featuring top prospects from both the Dominican and Venezuela. While teams were told by Major League Baseball that all participating players had cleared identification and date of birth investigations as well as drug testing, the roster sheet distributed at the game indicated that birth dates had not been confirmed. 2. Multiple teams say that Beras had conducted private workouts for them at their respective complexes in the Dominican Republic in the months leading up to the contract. All of those teams claim that at the time of the workouts, Beras claimed a birth date of December 25, 1995 and that he would not be eligible to sign until the July 2 signing date. One team contacted for this piece stated that the Beras camp continually delayed or deferred multiple requests to provide documentation concerning his identification. 3. By submitting a contract to Major League Baseball, the Rangers are saying he is 17 years old and therefore eligible to sign, and there are multiple sources indicating there is official documentation indicating a date of birth of December 25, 1994. That would make the contract valid. Unfortunately, we also get into the reality of the Dominican Republic, which is in many ways a third-world country with third-world record keeping. It is common practice there for birth certificates to be bought, sold, and falsified. Beras's background is one of extreme poverty—even for his home country—as multiple sources also indicated that Beras's birth was not registered with the government until he was approximately one year old. This is actually quite common in the Dominican Republic, where many home births are never officially accounted for. Questions That Remain 1. Did Beras ever submit paperwork to Major League Baseball? According to Passan's article, Major League Baseball is in possession of a birth certificate that states the 1995 date of birth. Still, his inability or unwillingness to provide documentation to teams is troubling, and he was not required to submit paperwork to Major League Baseball for the purpose of July 2 eligibility until March 1, which is oddly just one day after the signing was announced. 2. If Beras is truly 17, why would he claim to be 16? While the answer might seem obvious, in this year's market, it's far more complicated. If Beras was eligible to sign before the new CBA rules went into effect, he would be in line for a far bigger bonus than if he was July 2 eligible, and his $4.5 million deal well exceeds the $2.9 million international spending cap that will go into effect with the July 2 signing period. So why even claim to be 16? Why not live in what has been a very expensive final year of free-market economics, as opposed to passing yourself off as a market-limited player? It's possible that he simply did not know how old he was; again, this might seem nonsensical, but it does happen in the Dominican Republic. It's also possible that once he was discovered to be 17, the Rangers made a take-it-or-leave-it offer—and a genuinely good one—to avoid a bidding war. Such offers are also common, and if the Rangers found out he was 17, the onus is not on them to share that information, either with other teams or with Major League baseball. An article written about Beras in a Nicaraguan newspaper calls the player 17 years old in November of last year, which has left one international scouting director wondering if 1994 is even the correct year of birth. 3. What happens from here? No matter how the limited facts in this case are interpreted at this point, nearly every interpretation ends with what would be referred to legally as deception. If the player presented himself to be 16 years old—and such a birth certificate submitted to Major League Baseball would be the smoking gun—then the player has misrepresented his age. If Major League Baseball agrees, then his contract with Texas would be voided, and the player would likely be suspended from signing for a period of one year. As with everything in international signings, there are potential loopholes, as the official rules state that a player cannot misrepresent his age when signing with a club. Under the strictest of definitions, if Beras is truly 17, he did not lie about his age upon signing, but the rule is to be interpreted by Major League Baseball, which must already be horribly embarrassed by the entire situation. Beras was the big name in this year's international class, and Beras was the player everybody wanted to watch in this showcase for a league that MLB itself has funded and is very proud of. Unfortunately, the Dominican Republic has seen corruption at multiple levels in the past, from buscones to scouts to the major league baseball investigators themselves. Nothing about this deal looks good for baseball, and nothing about this deal looks like it will stick for the Rangers or the player, and in the end, the person who will pay the steepest price is probably Jairo Beras, who deserves it most and can afford it least. |
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Post by philadelphia on Feb 29, 2012 23:37:23 GMT -5
I am pretty certain that under league precedent he would be held until the next amateur draft. That is what happened to Edward Salcedo.
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Post by Padres GM (A) on Mar 1, 2012 0:29:49 GMT -5
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Post by Yankees GM (A) on Mar 1, 2012 8:52:32 GMT -5
I think Phillies right.
I believe that any international player that signs after our draft has been completed has to wait until next year to be drafted.
Drafted players that hold out can be drafted but if he doesn't sign by March 1st you're SOL. International players are handled a little differently.
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Post by Padres GM (A) on Mar 1, 2012 9:31:38 GMT -5
I think Phillies right. I believe that any international player that signs after our draft has been completed has to wait until next year to be drafted. Drafted players that hold out can be drafted but if he doesn't sign by March 1st you're SOL. International players are handled a little differently. That's fine if you want to change the rule for next year, but if this signing is legal in MLB, it's legal in BCMBL, read the rules that you wrote: PLAYER ELIGIBILITY
Anybody who was drafted during the June Rule 4 Draft and anyone who has signed a professional contract since the end of last year's BCMBL Draft (March 1, 2011). You may draft someone who you anticipate signing a contract this winter but has not as of the pick. The deadline for a player to sign their real contract is March 1, 2012 at noon EST. If a player you draft has not signed his professional contract by the above date you forfeit that pick and the player becomes a free agent ineligible to be signed until the next year's draft. bcmbladmin.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=2011draft&action=display&thread=2533 |
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Post by Yankees GM (A) on Mar 1, 2012 10:03:18 GMT -5
I think you are reading it wrong. Eligibility for the draft (not free agent signing) is anyone who signed after last year's draft. He signed after the end of this year's draft so he is eligible for next year's draft. a la Salcedo.
Practically, since the draft is over, it doesn't matter if he signs today or in July. He's eligible for next year's draft. The rule is there for drafted players and big international signees (Paxton in 2010 and guys like Darvish). You can roll the dice and draft someone who you anticipate signing but if they don't sign by March 1st you're shit out of luck.
What you are arguing is that any international player signed between the end of the draft and March 1st is fair game but if he's signed after March 1st then he's subject to next year's draft. I'm not sure that's how we've done it in the past or the intent of what we were trying to do. Plus you're quoting a draft rule and this isn't a draft issue, its a free agent signing issue.
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Post by Padres GM (A) on Mar 1, 2012 10:15:21 GMT -5
No, I'm afraid you wrote it wrong! Being a lawyer, I'm sure you'll appreciate how the IBC wrote the rule to handle situations like this:
2. A player will be returned to the draft pool for the next season under the following conditions. If the player was drafted by an MLB team and does not sign a new contract before the next MLB draft (the 2007 MLB draft in the example above). If the player is a Cuban defector or is from another professional league such as Japan, Korea or Mexico and does not sign a contract with an MLB team by opening day (Opening Day of the 2007 season in the example above). If the does not fall under one of these two categories, he must have signed a contract with an MLB team prior to January first of that year (prior to January 1st of 2007 in the example above).
I see this as no different than the O's signing of Rougned Odor on 1/18/11 after he signed with the Texas Rangers on 1/1/11. The O's were allowed to keep Odor with no questions asked.
Bottom line, I am keeping this player if his signing holds up in MLB. If you want to discuss a rule for next year that fine, but this one is done!
By the way, Jorge Soler did not sign by today, so he will be in our 2012 Draft. Oh, and Yoenis Cespedes has not signed his $36m deal by today either, since he has yet to arrive in A's camp and have his physical.
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Post by chisox on Mar 1, 2012 11:21:20 GMT -5
Bottom line, I am keeping this player if his signing holds up in MLB. If you want to discuss a rule for next year that fine, but this one is done! Ironically I was initially a tad pissed off when I saw this signing but I do have to agree with JT - though with all the reading I have done on this signing I personally believe it will not be allowed by MLB as someone is apparently being less then honest in this situation. Then I thought, geez - we need to tighten up this rule a tad ... but in the end this was really a one time deal brought on by the one time lapse period between the old collective bargaining agreement and the implementation dates of the new one as it relates to international signings. |
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Post by O's GM on Mar 1, 2012 13:15:54 GMT -5
I'm fine with the signing, I don't think we need to be that exact with the deadlines (this is independent of my Soler interest in things.) I look at players as part of a certain draft or international free agent class. With the date change for Beras, I can see him being part of the 2011 class, the last of the big IFAs. Same goes with the Cubans this year (Soler, Concepcion, Cespedes, others if they'd been drafted,) who aren't "officially" MLB, but will sign and are part of the 2011 "class."
That was how I saw it with Odor in terms of the 2010 class (he was in Baseball Analyst's book as the number 4 IFA of 2010 etc.)
Realistically I think we are talking about 3rd/4th rd caliber guys, outside of the strict/strictest application of the terms (I don't know if all the Japanese IFA's for instance are totally clear etc.) Being strictly academic here strikes me as pointless, so I have no problem with this signing.
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Post by philadelphia on Mar 1, 2012 14:23:05 GMT -5
I just think it kind of defeats the purpose of all the rules and things we have changed so the first person to the board doesn't get a player. We didn't allow that to happen during the Zips releases or anything else. Whatever though. I am not going to be up in arms about it, I just think that every team should have a fair shot at players like this. I believe anyone should have to go through one cycle of the draft before they are eligible to be signed as a FA.
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Post by metsgm on Mar 1, 2012 15:41:02 GMT -5
What are the odds that five years from now we will come to learn the kid was born in like 1990 and really isn't that special of a player? And it would probably make it easier if every player had to go through one round of drafting unless they fall into the unique role of being an independent player and not having to sign for a full year like James Paxton.
In terms of the BCMBL rule, I think it favors JT; but it probably should be discussed further so an issue like this doesn't come up, though as with all rules, exceptions and loopholes will be found.
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Post by Padres GM (A) on Mar 1, 2012 17:31:12 GMT -5
I pretty much agree with what everyone is saying. Going back to Jared's comments about the draft & free agency being different entities, I've always seen it as a continuation. The draft for me does not end in 5 rounds, it continues just like in MLB after 50 rounds, teams are signing guys they were following who did not get drafted.
The Mariners have signed a few European players the last couple months that with our rules I felt are available to sign. But, I totally understand (& agree w/ in small part) with Jared that there should be some kind of seperation between the draft & free agency, or those International players over 16 1/2 may always sneak through the cracks.
I'm wondering if something like the added language (in blue) below would help with the difference people see in the rule?
PLAYER ELIGIBILITY
Anybody who was drafted during the June Rule 4 Draft and anyone who has signed a professional contract since the end of last year's BCMBL Draft (March 1, 2011). You may draft someone who you anticipate signing a contract this winter but has not as of the pick (i.e. anticipated International signings). Unsigned (MLB contract) International players, not drafted in the BCMBL draft, will not be able to be signed after the draft, and won't be available to the league until the following years draft. The deadline for a player to sign their MLB contract is March 1, 2012 at noon EST. If a player you draft has not signed his professional contract by the above date you forfeit that pick and the player becomes a free agent ineligible to be signed until the next year's draft.
Oh, and Jared, I was being 'flip' on the "wrote it wrong" comment & I do appreciate your expertise on 'language' and hope you won't allow my comment to disengage you from the conversation as we need you here. Thanks & apologies if too 'flip' (like always).
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Post by Yankees GM (A) on Mar 2, 2012 9:14:30 GMT -5
No I'm fine. I leave for 2 weeks of vacation today so I already feel like I've been hit with a tranq gun. I just don't understand how this sentence:
PLAYER ELIGIBILITY
Anybody who was drafted during the June Rule 4 Draft and anyone who has signed a professional contract since the end of last year's BCMBL Draft (March 1, 2011).
Isn't completely black and white. I think you all smoke tons and tons of rock. 24 hours from now I'll will be knee deep in bright blue water and topless Europeans. This will be long since forgotten by the time the fasten seatbelt sign flashes.
Which reminds me: Can someone set my SB lineup for me when I'm gone. I'd have Pat do it but I think I play him 2nd round. If you've ever played cards with him you'd know he's a notorious cheater and would like nothing better than to face Jason Vargas in game 1. John? JP? anyone?
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Post by Mariners GM (A) on Mar 2, 2012 17:52:26 GMT -5
I'm kinda with Jared. "Anyone who has signed a professional contract since the end of last year's BCMBL draft" - 2011 date aside.... I think that pretty much covers any player who signed after the draft is over. This year it was quick...over in December? I'm too lazy to look it up. To be honest... Remove the arbitrary March-2011 date, and I don't think there's much confusion. What am I missing?
Also - Baltimore's signing should be ineligible according to those rules - I'm sorry I haven't been as active policing lately.
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Post by Padres GM (A) on Mar 2, 2012 18:21:50 GMT -5
I'm kinda with Jared. "Anyone who has signed a professional contract since the end of last year's BCMBL draft" - 2011 date aside.... I think that pretty much covers any player who signed after the draft is over. This year it was quick...over in December? I'm too lazy to look it up. To be honest... Remove the arbitrary March-2011 date, and I don't think there's much confusion. What am I missing? Also - Baltimore's signing should be ineligible according to those rules - I'm sorry I haven't been as active policing lately. O.K., commish speaks, that sums that up. I never processed the move and have opened up a new Padres signing thread. |
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